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Flaming Metal: Merl, depending on the metal, sometimes the recommended "fire extinguisher" when I worked for Elkem Metals we worked with high purity electrolytic chromium and manganese, including milling them from flake to powder in a nitrogen purged system. Std practice was to not have a fire, but if we were to have one and could get sand to it, that was the recommended material to extinguish the fire - CO2 would just react with the fire, as would water.
- Gavainh - Sunday, 08/01/10 01:06:45 EDT

How do you mill in a nitrogen purged system? is the cutter flooded or is it totally enclosed??
- Tyler Murch - Sunday, 08/01/10 12:05:59 EDT

Tyler: I think He means a ball mill, not a milling cutter like You are thinking. Ball mills are used to grind materials to a fine powder.
- Dave Boyer - Sunday, 08/01/10 21:10:17 EDT

Tyler: This might help:
- Dave Boyer - Sunday, 08/01/10 21:11:54 EDT

Mill: Remember Ty, the word "mill" is just a term that can be applied to many different processes.
end mill, vertiacl mill, horizontal mill, rolling mill, flour mill...
- merl - Monday, 08/02/10 12:26:00 EDT

Powder mill, sugar mill, puppy mill, grist mill. . . .
- guru - Monday, 08/02/10 23:41:59 EDT

roomer mill...
- Roasted Weiner - Tuesday, 08/03/10 00:27:24 EDT

Milling Chromium: Tyler - Dave Boyer has it right.We were milling electrolytic chromium in a rotating ball mill, and electolytic manganese in a vibrating ball mill. End result for both was powder, as long as we kept the oxygen levels low.
- Gavainh - Tuesday, 08/03/10 12:55:48 EDT

Roomer Mill: I think you meant "rumor mill" unless you are refering to how Mrs. Lovett got her meat pies processed ater Sweeney Todd dealt with them.

Bruce Blackistone - Thursday, 08/05/10 21:31:19 EDT

Oops!: That is: "...after Sweeney Todd dealt with them."
Bruce Blackistone (Atli) - Friday, 08/06/10 15:07:29 EDT

I thought you were just being colloquial. Y'know, "Atter Sweeny Todd done sliced 'em up and afore they et 'em," that sort of thing. Time for my famous quadruple negative: I ain't never had none of no larnin' on sich as 'at!
Alan-L - Friday, 08/06/10 15:20:55 EDT

Sweeney Todd: Well done Bruce. I had a copy of Sweeney Todd but my dog chewed it to pieces. (Really is true). As a house dog that got him a black mark- but as a literary critic I wholeheartedly agree with his actions!
- philip in china - Friday, 08/06/10 15:35:47 EDT

ken S
Did the weldin rod I told you bout fixid ur problem? It shud.
- smelling burnt coal - Friday, 08/06/10 22:38:02 EDT

Tin in the News: Seems this relatively well known and "simple" metal has a few tricks up its atomic sleeve. (Passed on from a Camp Fenby friend.)
Nuclear Physicists Study 'Magic' Nature of Tin
Bruce Blackistone (Atli) - Monday, 08/09/10 08:51:43 EDT

Titanium: I know I am chimining late on this topic, but I want to make it clear that titanium can be forged and machined without incident. Forge titanium ingots weighing tens of thousands of pounds frequently and we machine bar useing the same tools (with differnet inserts) that we use for all of our other machining. As has been noted, the risk with titanium and many of the other reactive metals is not normally large sections but the fine chips our powder that can be produced. Tatanium specifically is pretty hard to ingnite during processing unless it is in the form of chips. I personally have forged it using both coal and gas as a full source and I've torch cut it and never had any problems with unindented iginition. You can forge titanium at what would be a near welding heat for steel, though industrially we don't normally go that high. The one risk other than the chips is exposure (under the right circumstances) to iron oxide. It it possible to set up a thermite type reaction between the oxide and the titanium, but again this is pretty hard to do in the home shop.
- Patrick Nowak - Monday, 08/09/10 15:55:41 EDT

Patrick Nowak's knowledge of Ti.: Patrick, please continue.
I'm most curious as to where you work that handles Ti forgings that weigh that much (if you can tell us)
I've seen videos of knives forged from Ti that were seemingly indestructible and that was amazing but, I would never have thought you could torch cut the stuff.
I worked it a shop a few years ago that delt with many different exotic metals used their manufacturing process but, always in small quantities and, almost exclusively machined only.
I remember in the engraving shop, where I worked with the magnesium alloy, there was a huge sign on the door to the grinding room that forbade any ferric alloy in the room.
I always assumed that it was because of the potential for sparks but, I suppose the thermite reaction may also have been a factor.
- merl - Monday, 08/09/10 17:44:45 EDT

TI. We made valves from cast TI that were pretty big. The biggest I remember was 48" pipe size ball valves. We would set up and machine in a horizontal machineing center. If we found a porousity we stopped the machine, and tigged up the defect in place and then went back to machining. The little chips/powder were indeed the issue.
I cold bent lifting loops at home for these valves, to be welded on to allow lifting on/off the machines and after assembly. Made from 5/8 to 7/8" round bar, in the alloy used cold was the best choice. If you wanted to heat, it had to be in a protective atmosphere or nitrogen was absorbed from the atmosphere and cracking occured quickly and badly.
The welding was done in a "Gas Lens".
I have a 48" handle on th4e bender, and to bend that 7/8" around a 3" mandrel was all I could do cold.
ptree - Monday, 08/09/10 21:07:33 EDT

smelling burnt coal: I still have about 1/3 of my last box of 6013. Thus, haven't started looking yet. I doubt it is avaiable locally, but Dickson has a place which sells Miller welders so can try there also. Typically buy 50-lb box.
Ken Scharabok - Tuesday, 08/10/10 10:06:55 EDT

At one of the SOF&A monthly meetings Hans Peot showed a short video of the manufacturing machining down B-1 landing gears out of TI. As I recall it was done in an enclosed room.
Ken Scharabok - Tuesday, 08/10/10 10:11:43 EDT

Patrick works for Scot Forge one of the last great open die forging companies in America.

As such they do a lot of "interesting" large work---gotta love a place where you *drive* your set of tongs!

The used to have a video about forging 40" diameter Ti as I recall. Most impressive.

Their website has some "process videos" that are quite interesting if you like "the big stuff"!

Thomas P - Tuesday, 08/10/10 12:54:35 EDT

Ken Scharabok: Tractor Supply Co (TSC) sells 50 # boxes of 6013. If there is not a local store, they have a website...
- Dave Hammer - Tuesday, 08/10/10 20:30:11 EDT

Titanium: Do you think the idea to originally use and make Titanium came from materials used in flying saucers store in area 51?
- Bung - Wednesday, 08/11/10 00:22:52 EDT

Ken..... That may be 25# boxes, instead of 50 at TSC.
- Dave Hammer - Wednesday, 08/11/10 05:03:54 EDT

Titanium from Area 51: Nope, discovered as a mineral in 1791 and isolated as a metal in 1910. Anything strong and light gets a lot of attention in aviation circles. However, I understand that Tolkein was influenced by the "new wonder metal" when he wrote about mithril. So, what choice do we have for scrap titanium? Hostile aliens or balrogs? :-)
Bruce Blackistone (Atli) - Wednesday, 08/11/10 08:24:10 EDT

welding rod: Dave Hammer,
Our friend Ken is looking for a welding rod that has less splatter. This is why I recommend miller 930 rod. It is designed to have less splatter and is 80,000 tensile strength-that is 20,000 higher than 6013 and I thought this could be a good thing for his blacksmith tools. If you know a better rod for his application by all means... I am mentioning this because I think you missed what he was looking for, but I am sure he appreciates you trying to help.
- smelling burnt coal - Wednesday, 08/11/10 09:58:24 EDT

Thanks Bruce...LOL. Sounds interesting.
- Bung - Wednesday, 08/11/10 09:59:34 EDT

Titanium Scrap:
About the time of the fall of the USSR some of the discount houses had Russian made Ti wrecking bars. Nice heavy hex stock and very strong. Probably some type of military surplus. They were selling cheap (about $5 I think) and I wish I had bought a hand full since they were mostly straight bar.
- guru - Wednesday, 08/11/10 11:26:51 EDT

E6013 Rods:
6013's are the most common arc welding rod avaialable. Any place that sells welding rods should have them. These are followed by E6011's which weld through rust and dirt, stick great but leave a rough bead. Then the 70 series rods.

While E series welding rods are made to tight standards some brands are better than others (exceeding the standard), weld easier and make less sputter balls.

I've found that my common rods absorb a lot of moisture and if baked to dry just prior to use will weld better, smoother, cleaner. If your welds are not going like you remember, dry those rods.
- guru - Wednesday, 08/11/10 11:32:04 EDT

Ti/Scot Forge: Merl,

Thomas is right, I do work for Scot Forge. I am the plant metallurgist for the Clinton, WI facility. I know you in Wisconsin. If you know where Beloit is down by the state line, Clinton is easy to find. It is just about 6 miles to the east of Beloit and just north of the state line. I am an active member (and seceratery) of the Upper Midwest Blacksmith's Association. If you've come to any of the meetings in the last few years we likely have met. If you're interested, we will be having a demo this Saturday/Sunday at Thresherman's Union Park outside of Edgerton. You can find more info at
As far as forgings at work are concered, we specialize in bar and spindle/shaft shapes, rings, hollows and gear blanks though we will do just about anyting. In Clinton we can handle single pieces up to about 50,000 lbs. We have another shop in Illinois that can go about twice that weight for starting ingots.
As ptree noted, some titanium does require protective coatings and/or controlled atmospheres, depending on grade and application. Most of what we work with is either commercially pure or Ti6-4. The commercially pure stuff is very soft at elevated temperatures. I have hand forged sections as large as 1.5" square. There are a lot of titanium alloys for a wide variety of applications. We don't see most of these in our shop since, when they are forged, it is usually in closed dies. We have done a few very high end forings for off shore oil applications. Those are fun but expensive.

- Patrick - Wednesday, 08/11/10 17:20:30 EDT

Patrick Nowak, some of the most fun valve projects I worked on were for offshore. Billet valves from solid inconel 625 comes to mind. Ever forge Titanium/zirconium alloy?
ptree - Wednesday, 08/11/10 18:57:14 EDT

Small world: Yes Patrick, I know of Scot Forge down in Clinton.
When the shop I work for was first going through its ISO 9000 preparation for certification, a couple of your people came up and did some practice inspections/audits with us and advised us extensively on setting up our operational model and so on.
I see Clinton is accepting resumes right now, if only you were about 150 miles closer...
I'm afraid I'll have to give Edgerton a miss once again this year. I work the weekend shift (Fri. Sat. Sun.)and just had my only full weekend vacation for the year working in the blacksmith shop at the Burnett show this past weekend.
When I lived down in Oregon (by Madison) Edgerton used to be one of my favorite shows, nice blacksmith shop there, nice show all around. Be sure to take some video to post here on anvilfire.
- merl - Thursday, 08/12/10 00:08:04 EDT

bad week: This has not been a good week for me started with 4 stitches in my hand from a DUMB move in the shop on my part, 3 days out and at least a week of light work, and then today we had to inform one of the partners that we are buying him out, due to many reasons but mainly do to the fact that he is not acting as an owner and failing in keeping up his end of the business. this was a long time in comeing and he had been warned many times but he didn't see it coming. needless to say he did not take it well.
This kind of thing is not something any one tells you about when you start a business. this guy was my friend and I hate like hell to do this to him , but it needed to be done for the good of the business even if that means loosing that friendship...
so yeah bad week and it's only monday......
- MPmetal - Monday, 08/16/10 21:37:09 EDT

Bad days:
I've had those days. I had a woman tell her husband AND me that she was in love with me on the same day I was fired from the job that put me in the situation. I was in shock from the first when the second (the firing) came minutes later. Neither was expected. . But the couple and I are still friends.

In the 70's I had a service station and 3 or 4 employees all of whom I needed to fire and replace. Sales after the "great oil embargo" orchestrated by the oil companies had been awful and the oil company pushing for more fuel sales. But I didn't expect it the day they came in and said my lease was canceled due to low fuel sales. I pointedly reminded the landlord that the day I signed the lease they had told me they didn't care how much fuel I sold as long as I moved their oil, tires and accessories. . . which I had been doing very well. He could not respond. After it was all over I was glad because I hadn't had to fire the employees. . . No shop, no job.

Partnerships are especially problematic. I had a friend take on "investors" and they tried to squeeze him out of the business he had invested a decade into. Lots of yelling and arguments as well as financial ruin . . .

You have to be careful on such days. They are stressful and can lead to strokes and heart attacks.
- guru - Monday, 08/16/10 22:50:54 EDT

More Bad Days:
I once had a client that was a tantrum thrower. At the beginning of our business relationship everything was fine and dandy. But when the job was less than half half done and only one quarter paid for the client got tight on money and wanted more than originally agreed to for less than the agreed money. . . It was all clear and in writing.

It was a big expensive job taking months and we could not move forward without getting paid. That is when the tantrums started. I was shocked when a 35 year old woman started throwing tantrums like a spoiled 8 year old. Yelling screaming, (sounding like she was flailing her arms and kicking the floor), insisting that she had paid enough and wanting it ALL now. . . I could not believe this was coming from someone in business and related to business dealings.

We didn't get paid for about half of what we had done but I was happy as could be when she took her business to a competitor. It could not have been better than tossing a hand grenade into the competitor's office . . . without guilt or responsibility.

For a brief time my Dad took on a partner in our startup business. The partner brought contacts, youth, good looks and enthusiasm to the business. He was supposed to find jobs, negotiate the deals and get us in the door. We (my Dad and I) were the technical part of the business and would sell the job once in the door. We never made a presentation that we did not get the job. But the partner failed to understand the focus of the business and how jobs had to progress. He spent a lot of money on travel, business meetings and such without getting us in the door or making sales. The partner had a temper and did a lot of yelling and slamming things around when his logic failed. My father started feeling physically threatened which was very unusual for him. The partnership finally broke up and it was a great relief. I did not know any of this until it was all done. After that the business was strictly family (Mom, Dad, me, my brother, a brother-in-law and a few employees who were old friends). While that is much less than perfect we were surprisingly conflict free most of the time. We did not all see eye-to-eye all the time but we always got the job done.

There have been sad breakup days as well. I had to let my aunt go from a small software business I was trying to launch. We had worked very well together and I had learned a lot from her about doing business and I had modernized her office skills bringing her into the computer era. It took her a long time to find another job (due to ageism) but when she finally did she became the indispensable computer guru in the office. She passed away about 10 years ago and I still miss her.

Many business relationships can be as stressful as a divorce or death in the family. It is not usually an expected place of such high emotional stress so it is even more of a surprise when it happens. But it IS a common occurrence.
- guru - Tuesday, 08/17/10 11:07:07 EDT

Nutritarian Meals:
We had relatives as house guests a few weeks ago and they took off Sunday morning to get some "real food" at Cracker Barrel (probably bacon and eggs). . . We thought the "real food" comment was a bit of an insult.

The "real food" we had tonight:

A ring of fresh lettuce with sliced tomatoes, cucumbers and avocado on a large dinner plate. In the center, slices of baked sweet potato topped with stir fried vegetables (onions, peppers, celery, cubed Portobello mushrooms, zucchini squash, carrots, baby corn, broccoli. . ) cooked with garlic, pepper, no-salt salt.

A huge delicious meal (I ate too much). Low fat (except the avacado), low calorie, low sodium, zero sugar or processed products and highly nutritious with significant levels of vegetable protein, fiber, vitamins, and antioxidants. It was a colorful dish following the Nutritarian creed to "Eat a Rainbow".

Sheri was being creative tonight with the ring of salad. We have been lax on fresh salad for a week or so eating mostly steamed vegies, beans and salsa. Prior to that I had been on the road a bunch.

While I ate too much I probably didn't take in too many calories today as I had been eating light today (fruit bowl for breakfast, pecans, a banana and Acai juice for lunch). Its hard to overeat calorie wise on a Nutritarian diet with no bread, sugar, cheese. . . Its an eat all you want diet that you will still lose weight on.

Try it, its good for you!

Sheri's Balanced Beans
- guru - Tuesday, 08/17/10 20:37:00 EDT

Diet: I eat My peas with honey, done it all My life
It tastes a little funny, but it keeps them on the knife

My cousins said this rhyme when We were kids. Then one day one of them actually tried it, and found that the honey INCREASED the tendency for the peas to slide off the knife.
- Dave Boyer - Wednesday, 08/18/10 23:49:10 EDT

One of my Southern favorites was Three Bean Salad. Tastes great but it is made with a load or oil and sugar. A classic bad diet item for vegetarians. Sure would like to come up with an alternate recipe without the oil . .

Honey is one of those things that the raw and natural foods folks are big on but its still mostly sugar. . Sure tastes good. . .
- guru - Thursday, 08/19/10 01:09:08 EDT

My dad is on this new diet kick concerning omitting white flours, processed oils and something else I forget. Only palm oils and coconut water (that was the other thing!), along those lines. Wierd.
- Nippulini - Thursday, 08/19/10 11:29:14 EDT

Nip, get him a copy of Dr. Joel Fuhrman's "Eat to Live" (see links on my health story pages). Fuhrman covers many diet myths and points out the dangers of many fad diets and those of nutrition charlatans. He also exposes things like the USDA food pyramid and many other recommendations being based on nothing but politics rather than science of any sort.

Most of the good hard scientific dietary knowledge has been developed or theories proved over the last 10 years. This means that most of what people think they know about food and diet has been out dated very recently.

Avoiding wheat flour is good, avoiding all concentrated oils is good. The other thing he sould avoid is salt. Both flour and oils are nearly as bad for you as eating pure sugar as they are high in calories and very low in nutrition. Fuhrman calls anything made with flour "the cake diet". The proportions change but flour, oil, sugar. . its all cake.
- guru - Thursday, 08/19/10 21:04:40 EDT

Cake: Didn't Mrs. Louis XVI say something like that?

I keep reading about low fat diets and low carb diets, and can't seem to figure out which is better. So I cover both bases and order a low-carb cheeseburger on a low-fat bun.

Seriously, though, Jock really is covering both bases. Sounds like a fantastic diet. Keep it up!
Mike BR - Thursday, 08/19/10 22:09:15 EDT

I'm averaging losing 2-3 pounds a week now with minimal exercise and feel better than I have in years. I'm down 53 pounds now. As I get closer to the 300 pound mark I will increase my exercise. I feel that right now too many hours on my feet will be more detrimental than help.

According to the information I have I will lose weight until I reach my personal optimum (somewhere around 140-50) and then stop losing. That is based on eating as much as I like. I never feel deprived and cravings are fading. As I am able to become more active I may need to eat more but it is only a matter of feeling hungry. . . A surprising number of Olympic athletes have been Vegans and had no trouble getting enough calories and protein. All that "carb stuffing" is only needed by those on a bad overall diet.

I watched the film "Burger Town" last night on Hulu and it sure made me want one (or MORE!) of those fancy West Coast burgers. . . but I try not to think about it ;)
- guru - Friday, 08/20/10 00:37:19 EDT

Three bean salad: At our house we eat our three bean salad with no sugar or brown sugar (depends on who makes it) a small splash of olive oil that could be called "none".
If you use a good apple cider vinegar and a little malt vinegar, pinto beans, steamed tender green beans, garbanzo beans (I think some call them "chick peas") some red onion and black pepper to taste, you won't want for better. I think the oil is there because it goes with the pintos and chick peas but, it is such a small amount that it could be omitted all together and no one would notice.
The brown sugar is from my grandma and I suppose it's to cut the vinegar but, I don't care too much for that sweet vinegar flavor, too much like "store boughten'"
My kids won't eat their vegetables without malt vinegar on them so we don't have to sweeten anything up.
As to the use of Honey...
YES, the taste is FANTASTIC! A strong mug of Irish Breakfast and Peppermint tea, with a LARG dollop of raw honey stired in, will put you over the top for the better part of the day.
I easily go through 1/2-3/4 of a CUP every day in my tea.
When I make tea it is 3 cups at a time with two tea bags and steeped very strong.
I only use raw honey that I get from a local bee keeper in 4 lb. jars. The taste of the honey from the store is not the same, like it has sugar or maybe water in it to tone the flavor down and make it more consistant from batch to batch (bleah!!)
I consume very little other sugar though. Have cut out all soda and my wife and I bothe make a concerted effort NOT TO buy anything with High Fructose Corn Syrup in it.
I am in NO WAY flying in the face of your diet and, as a matter of fact I am adopting more and more of it but,
I too have been loosing weight through eating less, eating better food, witch in turn helps me to be more active, and eliminating that dam soda!!
You beat the drum against processed sugar and processed oils and I totally agree with you but, I think using RAW honey for a sweetener and olive oil for a fat or oil component would be ok while a person makes the transition to the Nutritarian diet and, still ok once you get there.
BTW, I was at a high of 232 early this summer and was down to 218 last week end on the certified shipping scale at work. I have been loosing a steady, solid 1-2lbs. every week form eating smaller portions of better food and doing a greater amount of physical work. Also eliminating soda. There is something about consuming soda that the producers won't tell us or don't know about them selves, that is quietly sinister and ensures we all become addicted to the dam stuff.
One can read the label all they want and say there is nothing bad in there but, the Guru and I and certainly many, many others, have suffered for a long time with an addiction to soda that was not just the caffeine and sweetener.
I think caffeinated sodas should be treated as a drug delivery devise just like cigarettes and chewing tobacco. Surgeon Generals warning label and everything.
- merl - Friday, 08/20/10 01:47:28 EDT

A little oil is OK and many folks can't take a salad with out.

When we need to sweeten things we've been using Truvia but healthy oil substitutes are tough. Its been so long since I had the sweetened 3-bean salad that I might not miss the sugar. .

Yeah, a lot of "grandma's" recipes can get you in trouble. We have the most fantastic recipe for soft yeast bread crusant type rolls. . But I bet I gain one pound for every two ounce roll. . .

My daughter is raising bees and will soon have an overabundance of honey. I suspect she will have enough customers for it that she will not have too much in the house. . at least I hope so.

Honey varies a LOT depending on the things in bloom. In Virginia the spring honey is often called "locust honey" and is dark and strong. A lot of people don't like it but to me it is REAL honey.

At this point I am losing weight doing almost the same old thing I have been doing for over a decade. . working at a desk on anvilfire. I'm out walking a couple times a day but working in the shop every day would probably double the weight loss.

To me, eating less takes more self control than watching WHAT I eat.

I think diet sodas are just as bad or worse for you than the sugared ones. Lots of research claims that folks eat a LOT more when they drink sodas and may actually eat more when drinking diet types. In one you get high fructose corn syrup and the other aspartame. Both are bad for you and do weird things to the metabolism.

Getting the high fructose corn syrup out is TOUGH. Its just as insidious as salt in all processed foods. My favorite breakfast cereal Raisin Bran had it in it so I gave it up. Cherrios is about the only breakfast cereal without it. But it has about the same unneeded level of sodium as many other cereals so I have cut way back on it as well.

Fuhrman talks a lot about addictive foods. The high fat, high sugar foods actually produce food withdrawal symptoms that make you want to eat more. . . And like drugs the more you consume the more it takes to satisfy the addiction. Thus you over consume more and more of the things that are the worst for you. In some folks converting to a vegetarian diet has a huge withdrawal factor at some point that makes them really ill. I haven't had the problem but many do.

If you don't think the food companies don't know this then you probably still believe in (insert fairy story here). They are NOT in the business of your health, they are in the business of selling more and more using cheaper and cheaper ingredients.

Any move toward eating better is a good move as long as it really IS eating better.
- guru - Friday, 08/20/10 02:30:35 EDT

I have an amazing no-flour flax seed cracker recipe that tastes awesome. It's very simple, you add egg whites to raw flax seeds and whip until uniform and slightly foamy. Add salt & pepper (whatever spices suit you) spread the mixture thin on a cookie sheet lightly oiled with olive oil. Bake at 350 for 15 min.
- Nippulini - Friday, 08/20/10 14:13:02 EDT

We use flax seed meal to bread bean patties and it works pretty good adding some (good) oil and flavor.
- guru - Friday, 08/20/10 21:21:43 EDT

Getting to the basics of food: Nip that sounds great I'm going to have to try it. I'm always looking for a snack food that I can control the ingredients in.

I think the point about consuming foods and drink that has the absolute minimum of processing done to it is the key to eating better.
If you would look in our pantry you would find it pretty well stocked but, not with "one step meals" and junk food although, I will admit to a couple of bags of plain potato chips.
We keep a stock of the components of meals and most of it is from our garden (canned and dried goods) Not that my wife cooks entirely from scratch but, most of it is.
She knows to make enough for the meal that everyone getts all they want or we'll just be hungry later befor bed. I refuse to go to bed hungry but, I think it's best to eat early in the evening, by 5pm or so, to give your food a chance to move through the body.
- merl - Saturday, 08/21/10 01:33:21 EDT

Partnerships!: Good way to lose a friend!
philip in china - Saturday, 08/21/10 09:02:45 EDT

Big anvil for sale, SW Virginia: My 402 lb anvil is now on Craigslist for $600 and will go to eBay next. Holler if you're interested: I'm about a half-hour south of Christiansburg and a half-hour east of Hillsville in southwestern Virginia. See photos at The anvil weighs 402 lbs, and Mr. Postman said it was almost assuredly at Peter Wright on review of the photos.
anvil photos
Paymeister - Saturday, 08/21/10 12:35:58 EDT

Interesting stuff on your diet jock, Im glad its going well and you are being so pro-active (and public) about your weight problems. Im sure it will help others. You are obviously a clever guy, and dieing early from somthing you can avoid doesnt strike me as 'dempsey style' :)

Im the other way, I cant put weight on no matter what my diet, or excercise. Im 35, and have not discounted the fact I might bloat when I hit 40, so have recently started to be a lot more carefull about my diet. Lots of fresh fruit instead of chocolate snacks, less processed foods etc.

I feel much better, and have more energy and concentration chewing my way through fruit instead of choc / crisps throughout the morning before lunch (I dont breakfast)

Interstingly I also developed a bit of a taste for diet soda (coke) a few years ago, and was drinking quite frightening quantities of it! I dont touch it now but still drink quite a lot of full fat coke, though I think its my body wanting the sugar (im a skinny guy, and do a lot of manual work, so need a sugar hit every now and then), and of course the caffine, that I am well and truely hooked on!

Just gotta put my mind to giving up the smokes now......
- John n - Saturday, 08/21/10 18:08:02 EDT

change in conformation: One of my old smithing buddies told me, "I weigh the same, but everything shifted!" Yeah, right! BOL
- frank turley - Saturday, 08/21/10 19:29:36 EDT

John, I'm not getting ahead of much other than being nearly permanently disabled having a very short life. . .

I used to be skinny. . . 70 pounds (32kg) when I was 14, maybe 120 (55kg) when I got married, 140 when my children were born. After that I gained about 8-10 pounds (4kgs) a year. . . for 30 years. It really ads up.

But being overweight is not all of it. Lots of skinny folks die of heart disease, strokes, cancer as well. Everyone has a different tolerance for the assaults on our body by pollutants and bad diet. But eventually the lot catches up with us.

The "need" for sugar (as well as fat, processed grains and salt) is a food addiction. Just like a drug addiction when the "high" wears off you want more. You think you are hungry when you are not.

A vegetarian diet high in volume and slow to digest reduces hunger "pains" from food addictions. In other words, it makes it easier to eat right. While you can lose weight on a diet of regular food you are constantly fighting the addiction and the reduced portions do not help.
- guru - Saturday, 08/21/10 20:58:45 EDT

Processed Foods: I used to think "processed" food was not all that evil but when you learn how much salt is too much and that many things have a full day's dose of salt without eating anything else. . . and that 100% of an ingredient means nothing (that "part" is 100% IT, but not 100% of the whole - legalistic BS rather than truth in labeling).

Then there is aspartame (Nutri Sweet) which failed all safety tests by causing brain cancer in the test animals and was given a "pass" by paying off government officials. Now its the cause of a brain cancer epidemic in humans and still legal for use. . .

High fructose corn syrup is an unnatural sugar that is put in EVERYTHING because its only a few cents a pound cheaper than cane sugar. There are all kinds of questions about its effect on metabolism.

I knew they added more sugar to childrens' food (even spaghetti sauce), but most of it is high fructose corn syrup AND they add a LOT of salt to the same things. If you ignore the fact that we have a lot of overweight kids in America we also have a lot of kids with higher than necessary blood pressure and early deterioration of blood vessels. . .

What is difficult is finding lists that COMPARE the ingredients in various foods. The Fuhrman people sell one that rates more than a thousand foods including many brand names. The shocker is that when you make head to head comparisons many of the more expensive "healthier" choices are NOT healthier. If they lower sugar they increase salt and if they reduce salt they increase sugar (with high fructose corn syrup OR a mix of sugars to make it look like less). SO, you pay more and get duped. . .

I can understand the need for stabilizers and preservatives. But the salt (sodium) is the insidious thing that causes high blood pressure and its put in EVERYTHING, even breakfast cereals. We know when we eat saltine crackers or chips we are getting a lot of salt. But there are a lot of things that the salt is hidden in like white bread, canned vegetables. . .

While processed foods in general are bad, restaurant food (even the fancier fresh food) is so loaded with salt that many meals have more than a week's worth of sodium in ONE meal.
- guru - Saturday, 08/21/10 22:17:50 EDT

Caffeine, salt and soda: if you want to use sugar in something the recipe will almost always call for salt as well. one flavor compliments the other and allows more of each to be used over all.
A little bit of salt and sugar in a food item is just good tasting but, a lot of salt and sugar is addicting as the Guru pointed out. How do you sell a bunch of poor quality ingredients, slopped together, to a mass market of indiscriminate consumers?
Get them hooked and reliant on the junk and do it quietly with something as seemingly harmless as salt and sugar.
What are all the so called "preservatives" in our store bought food for? We can a few things of our own each year from our garden.
When I make pickles I use water, apple cider vinegar, fresh dried dill sprigs, a bit of salt and pepper to taste and maybe some garlic and onion, that's it. I took some good advise from the Guru's mother this year and disregarded the amount of salt a particular canning recipe calls for and just added to taste (about a tea spoon measure for a 1pt. jar)
If we are very sparing, a jar or two might be on the shelf for a year before it is eaten. I guarantee that first jar tastes exactly the same as the last with out all that chemical garbage in it.
I have pretty much come to rely on our own canned goods for the quality foods we eat in the winter. I guess I'll have to double the size of the garden again.

John n, here is a caffeine habit I hope you never find yourself in.
Before I finely quit consuming caffeine I had cut my intake of M-D DOWN TO two 24oz. bottles per day.
This I was supplementing with one or two cups of very strong coffee in a 9 hour work day AND a couple of 325mg. No-Doze pills every mourning to keep "on the bubble" This was also cut down from the tasty 500mg. No-Doze slugs.
At what point does one "develop a taste for" caffeine pills and the actual taste of caffeine in a soda? I would not drink decaf M-D because it was missing the caffeine flavor.
I was finely able to quit cold because I got a very bad case of the flu and was un able to eat or drink for days. When I recovered I no longer wanted caffeine or M-D and haven't had one since Nov 2005.
The raging caffeine head ache lasted for 5 days!
I feel like a Jack A$$ even admiting to it but, if it helps someone else quit then it's a good thing.
- merl - Sunday, 08/22/10 00:45:46 EDT

I once had a 2x2liter Mountain Dew habit. . When I quit I did so cold-turkey but never had withdrawal symptoms. Years later I started drinking Diet Mountain Dew. . . It was another caffeine habit that grew and grew. So for a second time I quit cold turkey. That was this May when I was sick and also quit many other things.

While sodas are generally bad for you the companies that make them are some of the few that are trying to remove aspartame and high fructose corn syrup from their products. If there is enough public outcry food companies will change.
- guru - Sunday, 08/22/10 01:35:21 EDT

In the 70's I was in the ARMY. I drank far too much coffee, using a half liter beer mug for coffee. I am now at the point that I make and drink 1 pot a day, but it has 3 heaping tablespoons of grounds used to brew.
ptree - Sunday, 08/22/10 13:47:25 EDT

Army coffee...: You gotta have your "Jo-pot" and "Lifer Juice", don't leave home with out 'em.
The tea I now drink has very little caffeine in it, even when steeped to the point that you can't see through it.
For some reason I can't have any aspartame either.
It gives me something like a sinus headache that leads to a migraine.
- merl - Sunday, 08/22/10 21:42:55 EDT

Aspartame: Aspartame can do some strange things. If I drink a diet soda, my pulse and blood pressure will go sky high within minutes. And I'm talking about critically high levels. I avoid it like the plague.
donnie - Monday, 08/23/10 01:48:57 EDT

Aspartame = methyl alcohol: When aspartame metabolizes in the human body some of it breaks down into methyl alcohol. Methyl alcohol is also known as "wood alcohol" and is used to "de-nature" ethyl alcohol making it toxic. The methyl alcohol is probably the reason aspartame reacts so violently with the brain often resulting in brain cancer. . .
- guru - Monday, 08/23/10 03:06:04 EDT

Hey remember when sacharrine was the big sugar subsitute? Sweet & Low was my moms favorite. I remember being a little kid and reading the little pink packets "WARNING - this product has been shown to cause cancer in lab rats"..... WoW! How about scaring the feces out of a child with THAT line. Nice to find out decades later that the whole thing was a lie.... sort of. The amount of Sweet & Low to cause cancer in rats would be equivalent to a human consuming 2 pounds of the stuff everyday!
- Nippulini - Monday, 08/23/10 08:51:21 EDT

Kinda like a warning lable on bottled water reading...
WARNING! Consuming this product has been proven to cause drowning.
- danial - Monday, 08/23/10 11:02:45 EDT

brian alcohol: A good friend of mine found after many years of searching for an answer, that he has a type of yeast infection living in his body.
Consuming any kind of sugar causes this organism to produce a kind of alcohol within his body.
He has been mildly intoxicated for at least thirty years continuously. Not at all good for the body.
The rest of him is in OK shape for someone 62 years old but, it was greatly affecting his liver function and cognitive/ reasoning abilities.
He can't get rid of the yeast infection entirely but, he has also stopped consuming wheat flower and processed sugars and that has brought it under control so that he can function as a normal person.
- merl - Monday, 08/23/10 12:07:05 EDT

Fabricated Anvils: I thought I might move this discussion over here- I have been kinda thinking about it, trying to figure feasibility.

I dont think its a feasible product, in terms of being able to make and sell them on a commercial basis, and be cost competitive with imported cast steel anvils.
If you figure the target prices to beat would be Steve McGrew's $950 Rhino, or the anvils Bob Bergman is selling for Eastern Europe, which are approximately $1200 for a 250lb anvil.

There would be two ways to go for a flame cut anvil-
1- use A36, and then hard surface
2- use a decent alloy, and heat treat. (4140, 8680- something like that)

A36 is the cheapest- I am paying .60 to .80 a pound for A36 these days, but the price varies with the world market- but, for the sake of argument, lets assume you could get 4" plate for .50 a pound.
Customer supplied material, that means you pay for the drops. I would guess about 50% material usage, meaning half your steel is drops, that are immediately only worth a couple pennies a pound. So figure, for a 250lb anvil, about $250 material cost.

I can only speak for my area, but around here, the shops that cut 4" plate only have 2 axis machines- and would not be able to do an accurate job of cutting the corners off the horn- that would require a 4 axis machine, which means, where I live, waterjet, and lots more money.
And, given what I know about my local prices, I would guess that having the 2 parts cut for an anvil could easily run $100 for cutting.

Then, if A36, you would need to hard surface the top. Assuming a small production run, it would still be most efficient, in time and money, to use a mig gun, and a BIG power supply- I would guess 400 amps, minimum. Sure, you could stick weld ONE anvil. But if you were doing, say, ten a month, that would get old very very quickly. Plus, the consistency of quality in manually stick welding anvil faces would be poor. The best way would be a welding robot- available used these days in the ten grand range- and easy to program for something repeatable like this.

Then, I would mill both the top and bottom of both halves flat, then weld them together. Again, for any kind of production, stick welding would be pretty slow, and not economical- I would either do Flux core Mig, with a big wire, or, better, a submerged arc process.

Then you would need to mill the bottom flat again, to account for warpage and movement due to welding.
Which is Always there.

At this point, you would be ready to mill the horn.
A bridgeport is designed to run 1/2" end mills, not much bigger.
For this, you need a lot more mill- I would be looking at a K&T or Cinncinatti vertical, in the 5hp to 10hp range, a minimum of 40 taper, capable of running 2" or larger end mills, or even bigger face mills.
You would need a pretty hefty rotary table, as a 250lb anvil would need another couple hundred pounds of fixturing. I am guessing 16" to 20" rotab. Preferably an adjustable angle base rotab, but I guess you could machine your own wedge shaped adapter plate. Between the anvil fixturing and the wedge, thats a fair amount of machining right there.
Assuming you are starting with a square horn, you index and mill 4 times to get an octagon, then I would do another 8 to get a 16 sided conical polygon, then I would start cranking the rotab to round that over and make your cone. Probably use a carbide insert face mill for that, if the mill speed could accomodate it.
Since everything was flame cut, there would be hardness issues, you would go thru end mills or carbide inserts no matter what.
Once all the fixturing was done, I would guess a minimum of an hour per horn, machining time.

Then, drill and broach the hardie hole, drill the pritchell hole, and surface grind the hardsurfaced anvil face.

Or, if you spent more money on a better alloy of steel, no hardsurfacing, but you send out for heat treating. Depending on local shops, it would probably be cheaper to send them out tho have the hardie holes wire EDM'ed, then drilling and broaching 8" to 10" holes square.

Then, the whole thing needs to be dressed. By hand. This is a tough thing to hire out- I have been grinding, way too much, for 30 years now, and have had probably 2 dozen employees in the metal shop over that time- and grinding for esthetics, which these anvils would need, is not something everybody can do. You cant get a minimum wage guy to do it, in most cases, and the guys who have the touch usually wont do it for 8 hours a day.

Add up all that labor, the subcontracting, and the materials, and I could see you easily spending $600 to $800 for a 250lb anvil- before paying for any overhead, utilities, amortization for machines, insurance, marketing costs, website, trade shows, ads, or, perish the thought, profit.

The machines involved, from the welding to machining to grinding, are all big, heavy, expensive industrial machines. A milling machine capable of doing this work can easily weigh 8000 to 12000 pounds- so even if you got it for free (and new, these are in the $50,000 range), just rigging it and wiring it and getting it running can easily cost a couple grand. Consumables for hardsurfacing arent cheap. Sheilding gas, if migging, wire, grinding wheels, sanding supplies, and so on.
Every tool on that scale has ongoing costs- just buying it aint enough- it needs money regularly. I find in my shop that there are a couple hundred dollars a month ongoing repair and maintanence costs, and most of my machines are relatively new and well treated. But stuff happens- welders burn out circuit boards, (and every welder made in the last 30 years has circuit boards) they melt ground leads, switches wear out, drive wheels wear, liners need replacing...

Maybe, maybe you could make the $1000 price with a fabricated anvil- but I would be very hard to convince you could get much lower. And even then, it would be a labor of love. You would be working very very hard, for very little money.
How many would you need to sell to make a living?
If we go by Guru's $100,000 a year gross income, which I think is reasonable for a one man shop, thats a hundred a year.
9 a month.
I doubt you could get to that volume for several years, assuming your anvil was good looking, that blacksmiths liked it, that it had good word of mouth recomendations.
Less than that, 2 or 3 a month, and you would be paying top dollar for metal, subcontractors, and any outside processes, as your quantities would be so small.
So your per piece price would go up.

Jim is selling more Nimbas every year, but it has taken years to get to the point he is at now, and I dont think its ten a month- surely not much more than that.

So, if you have all the equipment already- big welders, machines, 3 phase, forklifts, and so on, and you are willing to work like the dickens to make a few hundred bucks a month, maybe its viable- but thats not really a business, its more like a charity.
- Ries - Monday, 08/23/10 17:08:43 EDT

Anvil making: When cutting from plate losses can be significant but in this case much less than 50%. When making a series of two piece anvils the tops can be nested such that there is very little loss and no "skeleton". The initial cuts have only the cut line losses. Reducing a conical horn is almost exactly a 66% loss but the horn is only 1/4 of the top. So 60% of 1/4 = 16.5%. There is another 30% of the square horn end for 7% Take some for the cuts and finishing and round it up to no more than 25% material loss.

The base of a two piece anvil starts as a rectangle with one side "beteen the feet" cut and two beside the upsetting block cuts. These are in the initial blank profile and only 15% of the mass. The angular cuts remove less mass than would seem at only about 10% making the total base loss no more than 25%.

Assume the two parts are of equal mass so multiply by half and sum and you have a 25% loss. I've gone through this excercise a number of times and its always the same. There are other ways to make anvils that the losses are much higher but this is fairly efficient.

Machining the horn is best done on a vertical turret lathe. This is a single straight cut using a welded support fixture and no extra attachments. Older machines of this type have been selling for less than scrap prices in recent years. Moving and setup is a significant expense but much less than purchasing a late model machine.

An anvil made of heavy plate would not need heavy machining of the face but if desired several could be done at once on the same machine as above. Otherwise its a heavy duty belt grinding job.

The two piece method was developed over a century ago using hardenable steel for the top and low grade steel for the base. That still works today and may be what Peddinghaus does on their two piece anvils. Some manufactures used wrought bases and some cast low grade steel or ductile iron. Its just mass and can be whatever scrap is available.

Many of the operations including the angle flame cutting are specialty jobs that would want to be done in-house. But they are straight line cuts that can be done with inexpensive equipment.

Heat treating is another thing that might be done more efficiently in-house. Flame hardening or surface induction hardening is much more energy efficient than furnace heat treating. All you want is the top surface hard, not the entire body.

While I call for full penetration or near full penetration welding in many of my drawings the waist weld in production arc welded anvils has been far from that heavy. I've known folks to repair anvils with failed welds using a common buzz box. It is not that long a distance to make significant multi pass welds of more than sufficient strength.

In the end it is just steel fabrication. Its either profitable or not. But like all shop work it must be efficient. In low and medium production fabrication and chip making has been competing well with casting for a long time. The reason has been the difficulty of dealing with foundries.

Machining the face on a forging or casting that has a machining allowance with draft is not that much different than making the horn from square.

The overall process is not that different than what Peddinghaus is currently doing. Spread their tooling costs (which fabrication does not have) over a thousand anvils and fabrication should be just as profitable or more so.
- guru - Tuesday, 08/24/10 17:11:47 EDT

Changing times: Selling my portable blacksmith shop. will sell with forge,blower,forging table with legvice and good 175lb. Trenton anvil. Real draw at festivals. Cabin part has bunk and fridge. It is insulated. New 6ply tires and brakes last year.We do business face to face and cash only.
- Stiffy - Tuesday, 08/24/10 17:44:23 EDT

Stiffy, need a way for folks to contact you (email, phone) and location would be helpful.
- guru - Tuesday, 08/24/10 18:00:12 EDT

Tools: I am looking to purchase some used forging tools - hammers, tongs, chisels, etc.
Tammy - Tuesday, 08/24/10 22:05:44 EDT

Tammy, First it helps to know where you are located on the planet. . the Internet is everywhere including Antarctica.

The best place is at blacksmith meets, especially regional ones. SOFA Quadstate is comming up at the end of September and is the #1 place to purchase tools in the U.S. Most years you could fully equip 5 or 10 large blacksmith shops or dozens of forging stations with new and used equipment from Quadstate. If you have a budget and are serious then it will probably pay to travel from anywhere in the Northern Americas.

Small tools such as you list are generally best bought new from reputable dealers such as those that advertise here.

Look for your nearest blacksmith association on Check our Calendar of Events page as well.
- guru - Tuesday, 08/24/10 23:50:38 EDT

Tammy:: You couldn't have posted at a better time. I am downsizing my shop and need to get rid of quite a few tools. You can take them for nothing if you like- or make a small donation to ABANA if you want. You could mail me for a full list of what is available.
- philip in china - Wednesday, 08/25/10 03:48:29 EDT

traffic: Hey philip, how does a country create a traffic jam that could take weeks or months to clear??
I would think that when it got to a ten mile or so back up someone would have said "Stop, don't go that way!"
- merl - Wednesday, 08/25/10 10:27:23 EDT

Quad-State, I have a friend from Canada and when he was going to open up a smithing school up there he came to Quad-State to buy all the equipment for it.

I'm driving in from New Mexico to go to Quad-State!

Thomas P - Wednesday, 08/25/10 12:19:37 EDT

Quad-State: It's probably been posted elsewhere, but Quad-Sate is Sept. 24, 25, & 26 at the Miami county Fairgrounds in/near Troy, Ohio. Folks will arrive Thursday or earlier, but the official program kicks off on Friday. To get more info, do a google search on SOFA, Quad State
- Gavainh - Wednesday, 08/25/10 13:21:00 EDT

Quad State:
Someone generally posts the information on the calendar of events. When I updated the calendar they did not have their current page setup. I'll get it posted.
- guru - Wednesday, 08/25/10 13:35:21 EDT

Health and Safety: We were sent this video this morning about Continuous Chest Compression CPR and I have posted it on our YouTube health and safety video page.

The method does not use mouth to mouth and is more effective in general.
Continuous Chest Compression CPR
- guru - Wednesday, 08/25/10 13:35:29 EDT

Just one of them random things.: Today is the 14th anniversary of my Dad's passing. Co-incidentally a facebook friend has this as her status
"At age 4: Dad knows everything! At 8: Dad knows a lot! At 12: Dad really doesn't know everything. At 14: Dad doesn't know a thing! At 16: Dad who? At 18: That's old school! At 25: Maybe dad knows about this. At 35: Let's ask dad before deciding. At 45: I wonder what dad would think... about this? At 75: I wish I could ask dad about this...! RE-POST THIS IF
I don't often do the repost thing, but had to in this case :)
JimG - Wednesday, 08/25/10 18:15:29 EDT

Jim, My Dad past away just a few years ago and I really miss him. He was one of the few people I could talk to about mechanical things that would think about it and say "Why not simplify it and do X", or "I remember a machine (about 1945) that did the same thing. . ". We were each others sounding boards for wacky ideas and not so wacky ideas.

Now my daughter often calls to ask advice. . . I must be getting old.
- guru - Wednesday, 08/25/10 19:18:13 EDT

Dad's: Guru, and Jim. I lost my Dad 24 years ago when he was far too young to have passed. Like the Guru, he was my sounding board and I his. When we worked together, as we often did, neither of us finished a sentence, as the other knew what the end was and just did it. Part of that comes from all those hours we spent in airplanes at night.
I use the "How would Dad solve this?" often, and often see a solution that had not yet occurred to me.
ptree - Wednesday, 08/25/10 19:54:30 EDT

My Dad was a Dr.
I still have scars where he and another Dr. did emergency stitch-ups on our kitchen-table back when I was very young. Heart-attack.

One thing is for-sure, though.
There's alot of "dad's" right here on this website.
And they're still trying to help out the younger folks coming into the trade.

I lift up my mug of XXX-strong coffee to each of you in a toast!
danial - Thursday, 08/26/10 11:42:03 EDT

I am still losing weight at a fairly continuous rate and I am now down 55 pounds (since May).
- guru - Thursday, 08/26/10 11:54:48 EDT

Doctor Dads. . .:
My best friend when I was growing up was the son of a Dentist. As such they were part of the medical community and all did favors for each other as well as tend to their own. Checkups for school or camp were often a visit and a "How-ya feeling?", that's all.

My friend once broke a finger by punching a wall when he was drunk and didn't want to tell his Dad. . . so we made a nice "professional looking" aliminium splint to mobilize his finger. Well. . it healed crooked and he was send to an orthopedist who was a friend of the family. . . Of course HE got the story in advance. So, he looks at the finger, says, We'll have to reset this, and quick as a wink gives it a SNAP (no pain killer!). Lesson learned. . . .

Another time the same friend had someone fire a shot with a 38 near his bare foot resting on concrete. The bullet fragmented and pieces blasted into his big toe. His Dad used his dental x-ray to find all the fragments and remove them. I suspect there was some extra pain involved this time as well.

Needless to say they had a "volatile" relationship.

Otherwise he was a great dentist. I learned from him that my previous dentist had been a quack. It was better to submit to BRIEF pain and be over it when you left the office than to be over medicated and be foggy and in pain for a week. . . Sadly he died of a heart attack about 15 years ago. I suspect his volatile emotional relationship with his family may have been a factor.
- guru - Thursday, 08/26/10 12:10:37 EDT

Stupid Friends:
I guess I am not the only one who has had some, but I believe most have learned from thier mistakes.
- Dave Boyer - Thursday, 08/26/10 21:30:11 EDT

CPR Continuous Chest Compressions method: Guru, that's probably one of the best videos you have put up yet. Thanks.
- merl - Friday, 08/27/10 00:14:11 EDT

Merl:: I am sorry. You have lost me with that posting.
Philip in China - Friday, 08/27/10 03:35:11 EDT

Phillip, scroll UP. Also see post to beam query on guru's page.
- guru - Friday, 08/27/10 12:13:01 EDT

Touchmark Ideas: I used to label my pieces I sold with a GL (my initials) but latley Ive been thinking of using a cad rendered foot print touchmark (massive of course!) since my little business is Bigfoot Ironworks (I know my knives suck, Im better at hardware :lol:). Anyone think this is a good idea? I can't think of anyone else using a foot print so it is uniquley mine.
- Bigfoot - Friday, 08/27/10 16:08:22 EDT

Touchmarks: Greg,

That would be fine, but years down the road will anyone know to associate that with you? If you decide to use it, you might want to have the "GL" as part of it - maybe inside the footprint.
- Rich - Friday, 08/27/10 16:24:04 EDT

I was thinking GJWL (my full initials). Everyone I meet compares me to bigfoot since at latest count Im 6' 4" and wear a size 13 4E shoe. Good point though. Maybe I ought to hang around art metal more. LOL Its a really talented group (all blacksmith sites are though).
- Bigfoot - Friday, 08/27/10 16:32:52 EDT

RW- Are you back?
- Judson Yaggy - Friday, 08/27/10 18:20:07 EDT

Jud: From time to time, yes.
- Rich - Friday, 08/27/10 23:27:50 EDT

Massive traffic Jam in China: Sorry Phillip, just pokeing a little fun at your contry of residence.
The last I heard, some major highway in China was experiencing 60+ mile long daily traffic jams due to some road construction.
I also recently heard that some of the freight traffic was stuck in the same mess because the tolls and fees for takeing an alternate rout are so high that it is more cost effective to sit stuck in traffic for a couple days a week rather than take an alternate rout.
That was right from a BBC reporter that recently spent 5 weeks in China and, whitnessed this all first hand.
I was hopeing to get a response from you that might shed a little more lite on the situation.
I should appologize though, I'm a typical American that thinks because someone is from a certain contry that they should know everything that goes on there. No matter how large that contry may be...
- merl - Saturday, 08/28/10 01:03:09 EDT

Jock, forgot to add. My dad is into this coconut water jag. Ever heard of it? Also no white processed foods. Weird
- Nippulini - Saturday, 08/28/10 21:04:05 EDT

The coconut water is a laxative. . could be a dangerous diet.
- guru - Saturday, 08/28/10 21:32:22 EDT

Sorry: Sorry I forgot to post contact info on shop and equipment. or 765-397-3887 Kingmam In.
- Stiffy - Monday, 08/30/10 12:01:51 EDT

Paw Paw: Glad to see anvil fire up and running and being used on a reguler basis. Still miss Paw Paw everyday. He was as fine of individule as ever was.
Stiffy - Monday, 08/30/10 12:06:30 EDT

LOL, I ran across this and thought of Thomas and the number of times he's answered my questions by telling me to google it... (please note that this was posted fully in good humour)
Let me google that for you...
JimG - Tuesday, 08/31/10 14:18:38 EDT

Tools Needed!: My name is My name is Matt Gallagher, I am a 15 year old guy living in Charlotte and I need to find or purchase an anvil. I have alot of experience smithing with my Metalworking instructor in Boy Scouts. I am attempting to make a Gladius (small sword) for a school Latin Club competition as well as a Roman Legionnaire outfit for the same competition. The sword will not be sharpened, i just want to be authentic and make it properly and have it functional for a Gladiatorial demonstration I will be participating in. I just need a sizeable anvil, not too expensive, and a 1000 gram German style cross-peen hammer. Also, i have a pair of tongs, but they are extremely old and rusted, so if you could suggest an alternative I would be most appreciative. I don't have a lot of money, but if necessary I can scrape some together. (if anyone would like to loan and/or give me these, i would be EXTREMELY grateful) I AM NOT ASKING SPECIFICALLY FOR CHARITY. IF YOU CHOOSE TO HELP ME OUT, I WILL ACCEPT, BUT I AM WILLING TO PAY IF I CAN, AND I AM WILLING TO WORK OUT DEALS, SUCH AS PAYMENT PLANS.

~Sincerely and hopefully, Matt Gallagher
Matt Gallagher - Tuesday, 08/31/10 18:32:39 EDT

Matt, There are a lot of smiths in the area. You might find one that would let you in their shop to work on your project.

Tongs being rusted is often the norm. The big problem is they usually fit poorly. But as long as they were usable to start with (many tongs are not), then they can be reworked by the smith (you).

Before you make your sword be sure to clear every aspect of it with your teacher, advisor AND principal. Schools all over the country have no tolerance policies regarding weapons. Some have expelled children for having representations of weapons. In Virginia a kindergartner was expelled for bringing a 1" plastic gun key-fob to school. . . It may not matter that your sword is not sharpened.

In blade making a grinder or three is more important than an anvil.

I'm 1.5 hours from Charlotte near Mt. Airy. If you get desperate contact me. But you have a lot of choices nearer home.
- guru - Tuesday, 08/31/10 21:57:40 EDT

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